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KGS Project Public Hearing Continued After Almost Four More Hours of Testimony

Special meeting will re-convene Tuesday night, May 29 at McGee Middle School at 7 p.m. Developer scales back plan from eight apartment buildings to six.

 

Metro Realty listened to four hours of testimony last week and came back Wednesday night with a pared down version of its proposed development at the site of the former Kensington Grammar School.

Geoff Sager of Metro Realty detailed how the new plan would have six apartment buildings surrounding the proposed senior housing at KGS instead of eight as originally proposed.

Despite the new plan, each and every speaker during the three and a half hour Special Meeting of the Planning & Zoning Commission, spoke against the proposal, most emphatically.

At 10:30 p.m. the meeting was continued to Tuesday, May 29 at 6 p.m. at McGee Middle School auditorium. Chairman Bruce Moore kept the Public Hearing open since there was a large amount of new information placed into record.

In almost eight hours of testimony before the Commission, not one speaker has spoke in favor of the proposal.

"I understand the sentiment of the neighborhood to save KGS and I know you don't like the market rate apartments but without those apartments I can't make this project work," Sager told the audience of about 300 people. "If I can't build those additional units I can't secure the funding to make this work. With all due to respect to the neighbors, this is a blighted building and is dangerous and a Brownfield. It is deteriorating rapidly and we can't save it without those marketplace buildings."

Despite his plea, one speaker after another came to the podium and shared their concerns and condemned the project.

In what could be an important factor, neighbor Christina Othon presented a petition with more than 1,300 signatures on it. If this petition of neighbors is validated, the Planning and Zoning would have to vote by a 2/3 margin rather than a simple majority to pass the project.

Moore called off a list of speakers who had not already spoken at the first meeting an then allowed those who had new information to speak for the second time on the issue.

Some of the highlights of the testimony:

  • "I'm concerned that when they blast the ledge that is near my house that my stone foundation will be cracked. I know they are insured but that blasting will be 65 feet from my house." Tim Landon.
  • "My father proposed to my mother on the third brownstone step of KGS. It is part of a neighborhood and this development doesn't fit. How would the Mayor feel if we put 200 parking spaces in his neighborhood where his children play? I don't believe for one minute that Metro Realty cares about KGS. If this building is worth saving why doesn't the town, state and federal government figure out how to save it and fix it. If they can't do that we should tear it down." Roger Peterson.
  • "What if the KGS building is not salvageable? What do the developers do then? Do they walk away? We are exchanging one eyesore for another eyesore. I have spent my whole life in Emergency Services and I can tell you those spaces between the buildings and the home will become back alleys. They will become a hazard." Bill Cink.
  • "It looks like there will be 21 units per acre in this development. We did not allow the Broadview development an that would have been six units of housing per acre. I would submit that our neighborhood already provides affordable housing in that people can buy homes and their mortgages would be less than the rents here. We have been told that there is an affordable housing complex coming off Metacomet. I'm wondering if we're allowing this to minimize the affect the development on Metacomet. I hope our neighborhood is not being sacrificed." John Coughlin.
  • "I would proposed the town consider buying the property from the realtor and build a park and name it for the biggest benefactor this town has ever has Marjorie E. Moore. And we can even use some of her money to do it. We can add on the historical museum and enlarge the bird sanctuary. She would love that," Richard Covini.
  • "A lot of people have talked about what if the young professionals do not come and the building is not full. I worry what if they do. If they succeed to get this passed it will be between 57 and 100 new residents in a small area. Are the local schools prepared? Alling Street is already a medium to high traffic street and it would surely get busier. This is not the most appropriate use of the land." Jeff Schuyler.
  • "I don't like how they included the church in their presentations. The church has to be large because we are talking about God here. It has to be impressive. The same goes for the school." Richard Landry.
  • "What you have seen last week and tonight is exceptional. You have heard from neighbors, people from the church and residents who don't live anywhere near the proposed development. There was repetition because there are issues with density, compatibility, parking, traffic, safety, noise pollution, light pollution and structure of the building among other things. The opposition is clear and this is a phenomenal outpouring of opposition." Attorney Dennis Kern.

 

Dawn Stepensky May 24, 2012 at 01:18 pm
Great article as usual Bob!
Liz S May 24, 2012 at 02:17 pm
There is an error in yoru article, it states that the "Special meeting will re-convene Tuesday night, May 29 at McGee Middle School at 7 p.m. " I do believe that the correct time is 6 PM on Tuesday night, unless something has changed.
Robert Mayer (Editor) May 24, 2012 at 09:27 pm
You are correct 6 p.m. start at McGee. I will make the change in the story.
Bobbie Coughlin May 25, 2012 at 12:01 am
Just curious? What's your name and where do you live? Easy to make anonymous accusations. If you feel that strongly, why didn't you come to the hearing to express your opinion? You'd be on the side of the mayor and officials at Town Hall.
Cynthia Kobus May 25, 2012 at 01:16 am
my mortgage plus taxes is about half of what they are proposing for rent... half... and I have .5 acres, a driveway, a garage, a park down the street, in walking distance from train station, stop and shop, coffee etc... there are plenty of us who live "downtown" that have what is truly affordable housing. And the people never said no to starbucks.. zoning did.. the people wanted it. what the people don't want is 35 foot buildings 10 feet from their property. They don't want to be told "you can't have a garage because its too close to the property line" by zoning and then be told by zoning that there will be a 10 foot retaining wall on their line. It's not right. Work within the zoning laws and no one would complain. How many owners of property should we sacrifice for the sake of progress??? And if you are going to have an opinion, at least share who you are... we don't have a problem saying who we are and that we are against it...
Mark Duplin May 25, 2012 at 12:24 pm
I lived in Berlin for about 20 years as a child growing up, and as a young adult. I now live in Newington with my family. I've worked in business my entire adult life, One thing that has been driven home to me during my business experiences, and one of my business behaviors, is that if you don't like something, propose an alternative and try to sell it. I read the comments from the attendees at the recent meeting and, except for Mr. Covini, I saw no alternatives presented - just reasons why some Berlin residents don't want the development to move forward. Don't speak against this development just for the sake of speaking against it - propose something different and financially viable - and put that challenge to the developers. It appears to me that with the reduced number of rental buildings, the developers are trying to meet the Berlin citizens half way. Perhaps Berlin should reciprocate.
Bobbie Coughlin May 25, 2012 at 01:47 pm
Just to note that, while the number of buldings was reduced from 6 to 8, the size of the bulidings was increased, such that the footprint is the same (or perhaps a bit larger--I can't remember which.) The number of apartments was reduced only by two. So, while it sounds like a concession on the the surface, it's really insignificant in terms of the impact on the community.
Bobbie Coughlin May 25, 2012 at 01:51 pm
I'm unimpressed by anonymous comments. If you want your statements to have validity, give your name, and better yet, where in Berlin you live. I do believe it's Patch policy to require at least one's real name.
Mark Duplin May 25, 2012 at 09:23 pm
Bobbie, the information reported in the Hartford Courant appears to challenge your assessment:
'Metro Realty had proposed 25 apartments for senior citizens in the old school along with 34 units for younger people in eight new buildings on the site. Sager said on Wednesday that 32 market-rate apartments are now proposed. Other changes include consolidating the eight new buildings into six and making them lower than first proposed. The new buildings would total 30,246 square feet, down from the 46,902 that was in the original plans.' So, it appears to me that the developer is hearing the Berlin folks, and IS making an attempt to compromise. But a compromise needs two parties for success. As I said earlier, except for Mr Covini, I haven't read a counter proposal to the developer's plan - except to stop the fair-market apartments altogether. This whole project may end up not happening, but at least challenge the developer with another viable alternative. Mark
Cynthia Kobus May 26, 2012 at 12:26 am
mark, thats only 2 less apartments... there are still 25 in the KGS building. So they are proposing 2 fewer apartments in 6 buildings.. the buildings are bigger, as only 2 units were lost from the total..
Jim McNair May 26, 2012 at 02:05 am
Is there any particular reason you felt the need to make a mean spirited comment about the folks on the zoning board who volunteer their time and effort on behalf of all of us?
Cynthia Kobus May 26, 2012 at 02:42 am
I volunteer my time as well. Wasn't intending to be mean spirited. I apologize. My frustration got the best of me. I truly feel for the people in that neighborhood and let my emotions take over. Again, I apologize.
Cynthia Kobus May 26, 2012 at 11:19 am
To add to it, I admit that ii misplaced my frustration. For now at least. I truly hope you are right when you say they volunteer on behalf of all of us.
KGS neighbor May 27, 2012 at 09:22 am
Mark they made the buildings 2 story from 3 reduced the buildings from 8 to 6, but their footprint on the ground has increased to stay at 32 units in the outside apartments. There are still the 25 senior units in KGS.
Bobbie Coughlin May 29, 2012 at 01:23 pm
Mark--I've been away for the weekend, so I'm sorry for the delay in response. According to what the developer said at the meeting, the FOOTPRINT of the buildings is essentially unchanged (perhaps larger--I don't remember which.) That's the amound of area they take up on the ground. So even if the square footage of living space is diminished and the buildings are slightly shorter, the visual impact and the density is the same and totally out of proportion to the other homes in the neighborhood. The town fought a complex out by Meadow Lane that would have been 6 units an acre--this is 21! (Reduced from 22 with the new plans...not much.)
As far as other suggestions, although I was not quoted as such in the press, when I spoke the previous week, I said that renovating the school for elderly housing, along with an addition or several smaller units would certainly be an acceptable alternative. Drive by Deming Road to see what this company is putting up there; they stated that these buildings will be bigger. Then come here to our neighborhood and visualize them here. Visualize jammed into your neighborhood. It's not developement that's an issue; it's density.
Bobbie Coughlin May 29, 2012 at 03:49 pm
The other thing about the theoretical concessions is that they were planned in advance. Initially, based on the scant information available to the public (as far a I can tell, one article in January), I was in favor of the development. The building is blighted and something desperately needs to be done about it. I am in favor of diversity and affordable housing. What had been reported was that there'd be a few additional "small" buildings. Prior to the very first meeting at Town Hall, I went down to the Development Office to get solid information and to try to figure out what all the fuss was about. I left with an entirely different opinion; again, it's all about density.
In terms of the "concessions," I was told that they developer was already willing to reduce the height fro three to two stories. Yet, it was the three story plan that was shown at the first meeting at BHS. Then, the next week, the developer came back with the "concessions," of shorter buildings with the same footprint and two few apartments. This is the equivalent of bargaining in a bazaar. The seller says, "I can't part with it for less than $100; I'd take a loss." When you say it's too steep, he says, "OK, just for you, $95." You buy it, thinking you got a deal. He get $95 for something worth about $10 and that he'd have been willing to sell for $25. These "concessions" are no bargain!
Mark Duplin May 29, 2012 at 04:36 pm
Bobbie, I hear what you're saying. I'm sure the developer has a bottom line cost number that probably equates to the income from a % of the senior housing units filled plus a percent of the fair-market apartments being filled - and I'm sure that percent for both is close to 100%. So Metro is not going to entertain any suggestions that would fail to deliver and meet that bottom line cost amount - they'll either lose money or not be able to get the investors to subsidize the development. So, you're telling me that there is no financially viable alternative to Metro's proposal? If not, then they will back out. And barring any other future development alternatives, KGS will continue to rot for the next 10 years (at most), and will eventually be torn down as blight, leaving behind an even worse eyesore that what's there now - an empty foundation and and a playground, parking lot, and tennis courts overrun by weeds, trees and such. In my mind, Hmmm..I'm not sure that Metro's proposal is any worse than that. What a shame that the citizens and town of Berlin can't come up with another financially-realistic option for this property.

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greta stifel June 13, 2013 at 09:38 am
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Suzanne Helm June 12, 2013 at 02:08 pm
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William Brighenti June 12, 2013 at 04:49 pm
How about signing my petition? I'd be happy to return the favor.
John Elsworth June 10, 2013 at 01:50 pm
Bill, you are correct on the motor vehicle laws an what should happen to drivers who break it.Read More There is also no law that people should eat food, but if they don't they will die.
John Elsworth June 10, 2013 at 01:57 pm
Bill, pushed wrong button an send comment off before I was finished. My point is everyone has toRead More use common sense in all situations an that includes parents on teaching there children as well as motorists. There will always be motorists who disobey the law an that is why parents must teach there kids about how to be safe an sound an not just say well there are laws on that. Make kids aware that accidents can happen an motorists speed an just be careful.
William Brighenti June 10, 2013 at 02:50 pm
Of course. But drivers need to obey the laws. If they don't, enforce the laws and make them payRead More the consequences of their actions: fines and civil lawsuits and higher insurance rates; loss of license;, prison for hitting a child.
chris choinski June 8, 2013 at 10:59 pm
heres a fun fact for ya, listening to you makes people want the old Berlin back. free ofRead More progressives like you
William Brighenti June 9, 2013 at 11:44 am
Name calling? Progressives? What next? Pinko Commie? I thought obeying the law, driving slow,Read More loving family and children were conservative values?
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Debra Tubbs May 31, 2013 at 09:24 pm
I live on Patterson Way and it is like there is no speed limit on this road.
William Brighenti June 1, 2013 at 09:06 am
What is the purpose of posted speed limit signs in residential neighborhoods if speeders are allowedRead More to drive recklessly, threatening the lives of children, pets, bicyclists, and others?